Starting a Jedi Temple

[RO1234]

Starting a Jedi "Temple"

So, the idea of creating a physical location and facility for the training and development of those who aspire to become Jedi always seems to come down to funding. I have an idea that I think might solve this problem. However, it raises more questions that I am calling on the Jedi community as a whole to help discuss their solutions.

In short, it is the idea to create a business. Ran by those who adhere to the ideals of the Jedi, those of the charitable giving of time and skills, this company would be a not-for-profit company that makes not only consumer products but also providing services such as training to those who seek it (Jedi and non-Jedi alike).

Initially I see the business making consumer products that are beneficial to mankind and the environment. For example, efficient and economical transportation devices like modern and improved mopeds (blending human power and efficient gas and or electric power). But even from the start, also including small scale training services in the field of health (such as meditation, yoga, and massage therapy) that not only are there for the training of the Jedi involved in the business but also to the public. Other services will include martial/self-defense and medical training such as CPR and First Responder certifications.

The method to begin, as I see it possible, is as follows.

*Purchace a apartment complex.
This will provide housing for the founders of the business as well as rentable space for the public which will provide for income and money to pay off the initial investment of the complex itself.

*Have a Jedi who have agreed to the founding principles of the business and are capable of fulfilling the roll of these 8 crutial aspects of efficient and effective operation of a business.
1) Financial manager
2) Marketing manager
3) Human resources manager
4) Strategic manager
5) Production manager
6) Operations manager
7) Service manager
8) Information Technology manager

*Have a product ready to be finalized and brought to market as a flagship product. This will serve as the initial and primary means of funding for future expansion of the business and the ongoing financial support of the Jedi non-profit organization

*A production facility where the flagship product will be produced. This will house the tools required to produce the product. It will also be where the needed employes will work (including Jedi as available which can also find permanent or transient housing at the apartment complex). The production tools and space will also be used in the prototyping of future products as the Strategic, Production and Operations manager see fit. Albeit in accordance with the guidance of the Financial and Marketing managers.

The apartment complex will need a property manager who will be sourced by the Human resource manager and guided by the Operations manager which will gain guidance and collaborate with the Strategic manager. The Human resource manager will also help to source (hopefully a Jedi. Who, if needed, will be aided in gaining their certifications required by the state to perform their duty by the Human resources manager and/or the Operations manager) someone to act as the grounds keeper for the complex.

Spaces within the apartment complex will be allocated for:
- Housing of the Jedi involved in the business
- Office space where the 8 primary members will collaborate and work
- Training space for the training of the Jedi and willing public in the areas of
- Meditation
- Self defense
- Massage therapy / Energy work
- Yoga
- Other areas not listed

This concept is centered around the foundation and support of the Jedi involved who have vowed to devote there complete time to the success of the business and adhere wholeheartedly to the ideals of providing humanity with hope and an option that is beneficial to their own lives, the lives of those around them, and the environment in which all humanity live.

I have an idea for this flagship product. I am a dedicated Jedi. I have been (under various usernames) active within the Jedi community for at least 5 years. And I have been working toward making a positive impact on humanity ever since I can remember. My background is in design/engineering and problem solving as a whole. My current job requires me to be cautious of what I say about it, but my career with it is that of a real life international diplomat and warrior. I am posting this, soon to be on several Jedi sites, to gain input as well as to feel out what Jedi are able and willing to participate.

May the force be with us all,
Jabi Musah aka, Ro1234

[foxsilver]

This is one of the better concepts I've seen so far for the makings of a Jedi sanctuary. I agree that in order for the Jedi to maintain a temple it will have to be, on some levels at least, business oriented. The hard part is figuring out what product(s)/services you should offer and how the profits should be distributed. In my opinion I can see this venture working, but it won't be able to stand on it's own for awhile. You'll need to start small, perhaps beginning this temple as an online store/donating site until you gather enough funds to begin a grassroots program. Once you can rent an area you'll need to take steps (as you've stated above) to gather willing participants that will help maintain the temple. Now this is where things get tricky... as a community the Jedi are not united on many fronts, this means that you'll find in almost impossible to manage things without conflict or squabbling if you plan to include the online community as a position of influence. I personally would not. Make this your own business for the time being and do with it as you see fit. People that share your vision will flock to you and help you as they can. I can see this becoming a great success story if you plan things well and persevere towards your goals.

[cia_kid]

I can't believe that you have just posted this now!
Those are the very words that I would use, but you *ahem* know what you are talking.

Right, I am with you on 100%. I have over 40+ products and service to add, I'm talking millions if not billions. The next iPhone/iPad, all sorts!

I really want to build a Jedi Temple.

I am young, 18, but I'm very mature with high moral standards.

Finally!

I have lots of documents to share with you, we WILL make this work.

I'm going to PM you now, I look forward to hearing from you.

[cia_kid]

I am 100% behind you on this, I have 40+ concept products and services to add.

[RO1234]

Distributing the money? This is one of my biggest question as well. My weakest area is in business law. I'm really hoping there's a Jedi out there that just eats this subject for breakfast, lunch and dinner:) A lot will be depending on this area. The non profit status, grant proposals, employment status, benefits, taxes and the like. You don't happen to know anyone do you:sHa_wave: This is one of the most important areas to have be ran by someone with Jedi-esque ethos. Staying true to our ideals as a company is crucial!

As for the online store, this I agree. Regardless of whether the product is sold at dealerships and other stores with like products, having an online home and place to sell is important. Not only for explaining our mission, but also allowing the customers options to customize their product, stay updated about future products, and opportunities to get involved themselves.

And I am not planning on having the online Jedi community as a whole participate in the actual running of the business. Suggestions like here, and finding those like minded people to partner with is all I look to do.

Thank you,
Matt

[cia_kid]

Yeah, the last thing we need is someone taking off with all the money.

If we make a NPO, which you said we are, it will mean that money can only be moved/spent by the approval of the trustees.

I think? I was reading up on NPOs but I might have got
it wrong.

[Macgilleon]

First you need to track out where you are planning on starting this. Then people in that country can help you say with research etc...

[cia_kid]

It will have to be in the USA!

I'm thinking of the geographical center, Kansas.

Land is cheap there.

Plus, google are setting up there gigabit fibreoptic broadband in Kansas City.

That seals it for me :)

[jdmcowan]

I am not a legal expert, but I do have experience running both not-for-profit businesses and for-profit businesses. The difference is that profit cannot be distributed to owners/shareholders in a not-for-profit business. In other words, if my for-profit business has more income than expenses, I am allowed to simply take the extra money out and put it into my pocket. However, if the not-for-profit business has more income than expenses, I must invest it back in the business and do not have the option to take the money. Of course, the specifics are a little more complicated, but that's the basic legal descriptions. By the way, both are allowed to hire and pay employees, including the owners/shareholders.

Taxes are probably where the whole thing gets most complicated and I really suggest hiring a payroll service and an accountant once things get rolling (unless there's a Jedi accountant available). The actual forming of the corporation is pretty simple, but can differ some from state to state. Since the paperwork is so simple, but the cost of mistakes so high, it would probably be a good idea to hire a local attorney to handle that, too.

If you have any specific questions, I don't know that I can answer everything, but I can definitely give you an experienced opinion.

Jeremy

[RO1234]

Thank you. And that is what I had been thinking was the case. I do have questions however. So are there any guidelines or regulations for how much which employees get payed that you know of?

Also, if I call up an old friend to help with the structural analysis of some of the parts for a products, how should he be compensated? Would it be different if it was a for-profit vs a non-profit? Do there need to be contracts involved?

However, for a lot of what still needs to be done, the founders don't have to move right away. Or any time soon for that matter. There's a lot to be done. Even if I don't find 8 Jedi to help out. I still hope to make this product into a reality somehow. I'm even considering taking over an existing company and adapting it to handle this. I'd definitely like to be business partners with fellow Jedi in order to have a better chance at keeping the company socially responsible.

Which leads me to another question that I've been wrestling with. If a not-for-profit corporation is formed, how could it legally still benefit the Jedi as a whole? Like helping with communication between groups, supporting gathering functions, sponsoring training? Would it really be better to just make a for profit and have Jedi involved and have them donate the money they make?

Maybe this is a two or three part undertaking. One part, a for profit company that makes products that improve humanity and the environment that donates a percentage of it's profits to a non profit organization ran by the Jedi for training and education for the development of mind, body and spirit. The third could be the actual Jedi organization which trains experts in conflict resolution, negotiation and diplomacy to help in international situations where a nongovernmental actor is needed to broker peace for otherwise helpless peoples. (stepping down off my jedi idealist soap box)

I have more to think about already. I'll end it here:sHa_thumb:

[cia_kid]

Payroll service, accountant and an attorney.

Are there any companies that give this combined service, hopefully charging a little less then 3 separate companies/individuals?

[jdmcowan]

So are there any guidelines or regulations for how much which employees get payed that you know of?

In a For-Profit company, owners/shareholders must be paid at least a reasonable pay for what they are doing and the amount of time they are spending. This is because the IRS wants to collect employment taxes, so it doesn't want owners working for free (or real cheap) and collecting lower taxed profits instead. The IRS gets to decide what reasonable is, but they usually use local statistics to make their case. Non-owners/non-shareholders who will not be receiving any of the profits in any way can be paid whatever they are willing to accept.

In a Not-for-Profit company, I believe the IRS also puts a theoretical ceiliing on what can be paid to anyone since they don't want anyone collecting more than they should (since you're not allowed to receive profits). I say, "theoretical" because there are an awful lot of not-for-profit CEOs making ridiculous sums of money out there.

If you want to know what the IRS says is reasonable, you should check with an accountant in the location in which the company will be centered.

Also, if I call up an old friend to help with the structural analysis of some of the parts for a products, how should he be compensated? Would it be different if it was a for-profit vs a non-profit? Do there need to be contracts involved?

As long as he is not an owner/shareholder or other beneficiary of the company, there is probably no practical difference - you can pay him whatever you agree to and you can do it with or without a contract and as either an employee or a contractor (depending on how much direction and assistance will be given to him). If he is an owner/shareholder or beneficiary of a for-profit, you have to give him at least a reasonable pay. If it is a non-profit, there are no owners/shareholders, but if he was paid an excessive amount the IRS might question that you were really trying to sneak some profits to him.

Which leads me to another question that I've been wrestling with. If a not-for-profit corporation is formed, how could it legally still benefit the Jedi as a whole? Like helping with communication between groups, supporting gathering functions, sponsoring training? Would it really be better to just make a for profit and have Jedi involved and have them donate the money they make?

When you establish the company, you will state the purpose. Theoretically, all of your activities must be for that purpose. In a for-profit business you might want to write a purpose like, "To provide education, training, and housing for individuals interested in the Jedi Path and to sell items related to Jedi purposes to support that education, training, and housing." In actuality, no one checks on for-profits and unless someone takes you to court over something related to your purpose or activities, you can pretty much do what you want. However, if you also want to be a tax-exempt organization (which is often the major reason for being a not-for-profit business), the rules and oversight get much more strict, your purpose will have to be stated much more succinctly, and you will not be allowed to act as a business (these days tax-exempt organizations are pretty much only allowed to accept donations, receive grants, and have occasional fundraisers - they are not allowed to have ongoing business activities). However, a not-for-pofit business could still distribute funds directly to individuals as employment, grants, scholarships, etc., as long as the amounts and rules were stated and clear and not based on the profits of the business.

Maybe this is a two or three part undertaking. One part, a for profit company that makes products that improve humanity and the environment that donates a percentage of it's profits to a non profit organization ran by the Jedi for training and education for the development of mind, body and spirit. The third could be the actual Jedi organization which trains experts in conflict resolution, negotiation and diplomacy to help in international situations where a nongovernmental actor is needed to broker peace for otherwise helpless peoples.

I don't really see a reason to separate organizations 2 & 3 unless you expect to have large assets in one or both and want to separate them for liability purposes. But the multi-company model makes sense. Then people who wanted to just donate could give their money directly to the tax-exempt not-for-profit company and get a tax benefit themselves, but people who want to get something for their money could buy something from the for-profit business. By-the-way, you could also make company 1 a tax-paying not-for-profit to assure that some future CEO doesn't increase his pay or start distributing profits to board members instead of to Jedi charities.

Payroll service, accountant and an attorney.

Are there any companies that give this combined service, hopefully charging a little less then 3 separate companies/individuals?

Many accountants offer payroll services. And I would bet that in some areas, they also offer company formation filing services, though they could not give legal advice as to what business structure would best protect the board members from liability. And just a reminder to everyone: I'm not a lawyer and you shouldn't take my above statements as legal advice either, just unqualified opinions based on my unique experiences.

Jeremy

[RO1234]

So any chance someone could explain what ikea has done in layman's terms then?

http://www.economist.com/node/6919139


And thanks Jeremy!!! This is helping alot!


Peace,
Matt

[cia_kid]

Not much activity here...

How about a question?

What would you like to see in a Jedi Temple?

[RO1234]

If I were to start this somewhere, my initial thought on location would be in Kansas, United States. I also consider California, Seattle, Vancouver, and Switzerland.

I am still developing my primary product idea. I hope to have it running in about a year.


Aside from starting with a physical product.....



If qualified instructors could be brought on board, or interested Jedi acquire legitimizing certifications, I would start with a "Human Development Center" and/or "Jedi Temple" (Depending on marketability and possible tax exemption status)

This business would be a center for:
- Yoga (various styles),
- Tai Chi,
- Palates,
- Total Body Fitness (A hybrid exercise class for strength and stamina),
- Meditation,
- Body Awareness,
- Aikido (and/or other martial arts depending on availability of instructors)
- Zen archery
- Zen calligraphy
- * guest speakers and seminars
- massage therapy (sessions and/or instructional classes and certifications)
- First aid and CPR certification classes
- and basically anything that we can find certified instructors for:)

All available classes would of course be charted on a schedule and take account for available instructors and rooms. Once the instructors/practitioners are on board, the business plan will be pretty straight forward. I know the people who can get us funding. All we would need are the people for the classes, a definitive location and area study on similar businesses and their profitability, and the people for the running of the business (like the 8 key members I mentioned at the beginning. Note: one person can handle multiple areas)

Anyway, I'm getting ready to move to Japan so I wont necessarily be around to help out very much initially, except over internet and Skype (Which I highly suggest those interested in this business get very aquatinted with for communication). I definitely will still help with planning and getting the funding once everyone is on board. I have all the time in the world, so may the Force be with us all. And hopefully we can use it for the good of humanity;)

Peace out,
Matt

[Setanaoko]

You got it?! That is AWESOME! Let me know where you end up, I know of two Jedi in Japan, one in Okinawa and one in Aomori Prefectures.

[DanWerts]

I'm the Aomori Prefecture Jedi.

As it currently stands, I will be on hand and available for limited help until mid-August, then I am slated to return to the U.S. Whatever assistance I can render, will be at your disposal until then!